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wolverine
16 December 2002, 05:12 AM
To me, this is one of my all time fave old WEG pre made modules.

The tought of hyjacking fuel for the rebels is a good plot. But my big gripe is the fact that this is the only 'close to cannon' time we have seen a Torpedo sphere used.

Has anyone else ever used this module?
Have you ever used torp spheres?

da_gm
17 December 2002, 04:31 AM
Unfortunately i donīt have access to that many WEG books. But i always try to keep my eyes open for them.
However i think itīs cool that they acctually used some of the empires larger weaponsystems in a pre made adventure. The largest that my group has encountered is an ISD.
If its not to much trouble, could you give me a hint on how the sphere was used and why. It could be good to have an example if i ever plan to incorporate such a weapon into my campaign.

wolverine
18 December 2002, 07:20 AM
no prob..

Basically, the Black ICe is one ginormous container ship for fuel. It has a VSD size foward section where most of the bridge ops and crew are, the same siz for an engine section, and anywhere from 4-20 (i think) BBBBIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGG balls that connect for the fuel.
The party steals it, and takes it to a rebel base.

One of the imperials on the ship manages to activate a homing beacon/sos, and just after the rebels show up at the base, and are going through the debriefing, a Torp sphere shows up.
Now there is little to no chance of the rebels being able to evaciuate or take it on without a lot of losses, but someone brings up the ifdea of using the Black ice to ram into the TS.

It works... Although, i seriously doubt if it was not for the fact they stole a BIG ship with lots of fuel on, the imperials would not have sent a TS.

Make me wonder why they didn't call one or 2 in for the Hoth invasion..

da_gm
18 December 2002, 06:17 PM
Thank!

Allways good to know of the official applications of these mega weapons. Other than the Death Stars they donīt really show any of the big stuff in action in the movies. itīs not like we get to see the Executor in action(wich would be really cool).

wolfe
18 December 2002, 09:50 PM
"But my big gripe is the fact that this is the only 'close to cannon' time we have seen a Torpedo sphere used."

Actually,in the Lords of the expanse they include a torpedo sphere for the players to board and either save,or destroy(depending on their faction), but i guess that would depend on your view of 'used'.

Has anyone else ever used this module?
yep, on a couple different groups...
was in it as a player and managed to save 1/2 the fuel..
the last time used the module it was used along with the Far Orbit campaign..the crew captured it for the fuel-and to show the alliance the value of the project- "you captured that?" they used the black ice as cover to get away from the torp sphere and its escorts..
(which is my complaint of that adventure.. send only a torpedo sphere?? WTF were they thinking?:raised:

Have you ever used torp spheres?

on a few occasions used as are (torpedo spheres) and as the platform for the two-wave gravshock device (pg 67 weg Imperial SB),the failed platform for the "gun" version of the magnetic bombbard (same page)

the last as a various technologies platform..(its still out there somewhere)..

Make me wonder why they didn't call one or 2 in for the Hoth invasion..

well for one they are slower than the rest of vaders squadron..and by the time it would have got there the battle would have been long over.
Since its the standard for the Rebels to flee when confronted instead of hiding under a planetary shield ,Vader wouldnt have wanted it.

"If its not to much trouble, could you give me a hint on how the sphere was used and why. It could be good to have an example if i ever plan to incorporate such a weapon into my campaign."
well wolverine explained how it was used in the adventure and it sounds like you are unfamiliar with them all together so...(and if you are..sorry) Quick and dirty version..

torpedo speres are dedicated seige platforms whos primary focus is to knock out planetary sheilds.
it uses its sensors to analyse the shields for weak points and once finding one launches a barrage from its 500 proton torpedo launchers.
8o
once a hole is made it fires its 10 turbolasers at the the shield generator itself..

mojo1701
19 December 2002, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Wolverine:

It works... Although, i seriously doubt if it was not for the fact they stole a BIG ship with lots of fuel on, the imperials would not have sent a TS.

Make me wonder why they didn't call one or 2 in for the Hoth invasion..


Have you ever read Starships of the Galaxy?

It's a d20 book, but it says that torpedo spheres, to be effective, had to bombard planetary shields in a certain order of events, otherwise they had just wasted a whole bundle of energy. And it also said that there were no more than 6 commissioned at a time.

That's all I can remember...

DirkGreystoke
21 December 2002, 06:44 PM
I still have copies of this adventure, and played it when it first came out. I thought that it was ok, much better than the Star Wars adventures that are published these days. But I was always more fond of Strikeforce Shantipole and some of the other ones. However, Black Ice did come with the coolest free Star Warrior counters.

Sithspawn
30 December 2002, 03:25 AM
I too enjoyed Black Ice.

As for Torpedo Spheres, well I run a Tapani Campaign. The Torpedo Sphere mentioned above I had the PCs save from destruction to prevent a war, only for the Sphere to be STOLEN by the 'bad guy' of the campaign. He then returned to Tapani, made an alliance with House Pelagia and used the Torpedo Sphere to blockade the Sector. The Tapani Sector of my campaign is now on the verge of a House war and an Imperial attack.

Slave-1
2 January 2003, 03:01 AM
As for 'Office published use' other than the Black Ice i have never used it. As for a campaign plot device i have many times. Its more reasonable than a Death Star ever episode. The most recent was the players had to help an entire planet evacute or defend it self. It was under siege by a battle group that was just large enoghe to warrent one as outlined in the Imp Source Book.
They ended up failing misserably and the planet fell to the Empire ... great plot device when your players fail and have to live with the mistakes they make and they come to haunt them, ;)

This brings up another question probably for a different forum but here goes. Why when the vong came along no one used these things? were they all blown up? or others wise out of action? or better yet, why didnt the books(novels) use them more as a plot device?

mojo1701
2 January 2003, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by Slave-1:

This brings up another question probably for a different forum but here goes. Why when the vong came along no one used these things? were they all blown up? or others wise out of action? or better yet, why didnt the books(novels) use them more as a plot device?

My best guess would be that after the treaty was signed between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant, the New Republic said that any weapons of mass destruction (besides ships up to, and including SSDs) should be dismantled, or either the Torpedo Spheres were old, and the Empire saw no need to building any more.

Just what I think. I could be wrong.

Slave-1
2 January 2003, 11:50 AM
Could be right as well ;) But where are the test platforms? This could make for a good book imho. Heros in a pinch find an abandond lab with one there , but not yet operational ;)

Josou
15 September 2003, 12:18 PM
I am designing a campaign where an Imperial Moff is constructing a torpedo sphere.
The idea behind the game is that the Rebel Intelligence has found that a high quantity of torpedos are being shipped to the said sector and if the torpedo sphere becomes active it would garantee Imperial premacy in the sector.

The PCs must infultrate the half completed Torpedo Sphere and destroy it.